MTL - Rebirth 2008: I Can Make Money Reading-v2 Chapter 463 Mu Yang, are you playing with me? !
"certainly!"
Mu Yang definitely replied that he knew too well what this CPU frequency represented, it was absolutely number one in the world.
Even in 2022, the Kirin 9000E chip used in the Huawei Mate40 mobile phone, which costs 4,000 to 5,000 yuan, will not have such a high CPU frequency. (9000E: 7n process technology, 3.13GhzA77*1+2.54GHzA77*3+2.05GHzA55*4)
Or, the four-star + mobile phone priced at seven or eight thousand, the Snapdragon 855 chip used, the CPU frequency is also not so high (the process is 7n2.84GHzA76*1, 2.41GHzA76*3, 1.78GHz A55*4)
In other words, this Xingchen 01 chip, even if it is used in 2022, will not lag behind, and it will still be a top-notch chip.
Switching to the current use is to hang all mobile phone chips, which is almost equivalent to black technology and does not follow common sense.
That's why Mr. Ren was so surprised and asked: Are you really planning to release such a perverted chip? Mr. Mu is playing for real?
"This kind of chip is too high-end. It can be used in mobile phones, and other configurations can't keep up." Mr. Ren was pleasantly surprised, but also troubled. The product is so good, how much should the mobile phone be priced to meet it?
If it is set too high, mobile phone sales will definitely be low.
Of course, this thing is completely a king bomb in the hand.
Fans who were in the pre-conditions all sent congratulations to Mu Yang.
Yes, you are not making money by producing 28n technology chips, you hope they will transition to Luli Kirin925 as soon as possible, half a year ago, you will be able to produce 28n technology chips again. "Mu Yang said that the cost difference between the production of Starlight 01 and Hayes Kirin 925 is small, but the difference in performance is very small.
As for Xingchen 01, Muyang is priced at 1,200 yuan, and the production cost is lower than Xingguang 01, but it is also much lower, definitely more than seventy yuan.
Mr. Mu Yang took a look at the performance test of Xingchen 01. There was no tester on site, so he used several mobile phones, disassembled the original chip, and replaced it with Xingchen 01 chip for testing and comparison.
It's just that Mu Yang didn't want to make a mobile phone, did he deliberately suppress Huawei Company, and did he open his mouth when we were in crisis.
Lao Li frantically reposted the announcement, mainly because Ugly Country had just announced restrictions on Huawei Company.
That being the case, you still want Xinghai Group to help you produce some Hayes Kirin925, and make a rush;
Mu Yang believes that Xingchen's chip architecture is much worse than Core Duo's. With the architecture alone, the performance has been improved by about 15%, and the energy consumption is only half.
Relevant departments of Ugland issued a notice to Xinghai Group: "Since Xinghai Group complies with Uganda's commercial laws, starting from September 20, 2014, within one year, Ugland-related chip manufacturers are required to sell chips and related technologies to Xinghai Group. .”
"Shoot the top bird, you must teach Xinghai Group and Mu Yang a lesson, otherwise, you will become a global joke!"
Mr. Ren is also a loyal person, and he is grateful to Xinghai Group for helping us in Huawei's crisis.
"In that case, let's restrict the Xinghai Group together, let Xinghai Group and Huawei Company buy a chip from your ugly country. Xinghai Group's cars, numerical control systems, and robots all purchase chips from your ugly country."
Anyone with a discerning eye can tell at a glance that this is the Ugly Country's counterattack against the Xinghai Group, and the attack on the Xinghai Group is "obedient."
I am sure you will manufacture your Hayes kiin925. Taijidian charges them as much as the OEM price, and you will charge as little as possible.
One or two months later is also fine, but it happened to be eight days to let the ugly country come to power.
"You can't make a compressed mobile phone chip, called Starlight 01", it can't be applied to their MATE7, yes, even if it's a castrated version, it's more advanced than their Hayes Kirin925, yours The chip architecture is much worse than Core Duo.
Generally, it is the Ugly Hummer Company, which is estimated to have the least impact. Before the market closes in the morning, it is estimated that there will be no wave of ups and downs. As a result, just two days later, Mu Yang declared
Bu Xinghai Group's EDA has been successfully developed and authorized to Huawei Company. It seems that the Ugly Country's restrictions on Huawei Company are not funny.
"That kind of production capacity, you need to worry about it. Mr. Mu is well-prepared and inefficient. Xinghai Group can develop so slowly. You have too little to learn from them."
Then once it was done, Ugly Country knew about it, and the relevant department personnel were very angry.
"This business, let's announce it immediately. In the words of the Hua people, an eye for an eye must be met! Unless Mu Yang admits his mistake, we bought a chip for your country."
However, regardless of whether it is producing Xingguang 01 or Xingchen 01, the production cost of Xinghai Group is not low. Xingguang 01 sells for 700 yuan, and the production cost may only be around 70 yuan, or even higher. That thing is expensive, mainly because the research and development costs are too high. low.
With or without a mask chip, the price of each 12-inch wafer is about 10,000 yuan, and the average price of each mobile phone chip is not just more than ten yuan.
I also know that as long as Muyang is willing, Huawei's mobile phone company will last for two years.
The price of Xingchen 01 is too low. If the price of the mobile phone is less than 1,000 yuan, it is difficult for this mobile phone manufacturer to make money.
When Xinghai Group calculates the comprehensive cost, it cannot set the research and development cost lower to make the cost more "reasonable".
The Xinghai Group plans to only produce low-end chips. Next year, it will not be able to produce one billion chips annually, and it will not become a new gold-sucking beast of the Xinghai Group.
Hua country time, eleven o'clock in the evening, corresponds to eleven o'clock in the afternoon in Ugly country.
Of course, the cost cannot be reduced yet.
Compared with Hayes Kirin925, Xingchen 01 seems to be only twice as small in terms of CPU frequency data, but the actual performance is twice as small.
Chip production capacity, he also saw that you only have two prototypes of lithography machines at present, and the rest of the prototypes are being assembled intensively. Only seven sets are assembled in a month, and the working efficiency of your lithography machines is not fast.
But it can't be sold, seven or seven hundred yuan!
Now, the chips designed by Xinghai Group are very weak. We are more concerned about how to design chips than Xinghai Group. I am willing to let us give up the mobile phone chip design department.
Of course, if the quantity is large, the payback cycle will be very long.
But even if the chip Starlight 01 is used, the price of the mobile phone is suitable to be priced at 3,500 to 5,500 yuan, which can only be used as a flagship mobile phone.
Mu Yang thought about it, calculated it, and then replied: "The wafer production capacity is currently 50,000 pieces, and the problem of reducing that production capacity is small;
It is certain that the EBL lithography machine is priced at 7 billion, which requires the production of 1 million mobile phone chips to pay back. That announcement aroused a very small amount of public opinion around the world.
At four o'clock that night, Mu Yang posted a message on Weibo:
When Mr. Ren heard Mu Yang's quotation, he felt that it was not expensive. He clasped his hands together, and his face was full of gratitude: "Mr. Mu, even if the OEM price is lowered, it is still a problem, and you can accept it. To help you in times of crisis.
"Jiangnan Province came to congratulate: Congratulations to Xinghai Group for making history and breaking the zero record."
Fans of Muyang seldom understand what EDA is. If they do, they will naturally fail to understand the explanation of Dibang, saying that "EDA is the engineering software with the least difficulty in research and development", and "EDA is at least equivalent to half a lithography machine".
MATE7 was launched in August this year. The sales price of 2G+16G is 3000 yuan, and the cost of the chip is about 880 yuan, accounting for 12% of the selling price. That is the chip designed by Huawei itself, and the cost is much higher. The main cost is the foundry fee, so you must buy a Core chip with the same performance, which will cost around seven or seven hundred yuan.
"congratulate!"
According to the calculation of one billion yuan for an EUV lithography machine, as long as the quantity is sufficient, the mask cost of each chip is not low before apportionment, only two or eight yuan.
Xinghai Group makes mobile phones, but it will sell mobile phone chips to global mobile phone manufacturers, and it will earn whoever makes money.
But the problem is that the cost of our production of 7n is much lower than the cost of producing 28n chips. "Maybe Hummer stock will be affected a bit."
Production of Star 01 and Starlight 01, both use
The 7n-process process is just that the former uses a lot more time for the lithography machine, and at the same time, the area of the wafer used is more, the scrap rate is higher, and the cost is much higher.
In addition to mobile phone chips, there are no other types of chips. Moss Semiconductors produces 7 billion chips a year.
When controlling an EUV lithography machine for 24 hours, the production is stopped. It cannot process about 2400 pieces of 12-inch wafers a day, and there are no more than a thousand pieces. In an ideal state, a lithography machine Only 1.5 million mobile phone chips are manufactured in a day.
"Apart from this, is there any worse way? Xinghai Group's products are independently developed by Xiaoshao. Restricting others is a matter of concern to us."
"It has to be done that way, Xinghai Group has to pay a certain price." Mu Yang's Weibo was quickly reprinted by domestic and foreign media.
Therefore, Mu Yang said that to produce a Starlight 01, as long as the quantity is sufficient, the production cost of each piece is up to 70 yuan.
"Hehe, you don't have to worry about this. You only make mobile phone chips. If you want to make other mobile phone accessories, you might as well produce a mobile phone." Mu Yang said with a grumpy smile. I understand Mr. Ren's feelings.
At the same time, you will design the old mobile phones as soon as possible, using the Xingchen 01 and Xingguang 01 chips. "
It is because the media in Duohuaguo withdrew follow-up reports, analyzing that the round of restrictions in Ugly Country would have no impact on Xinghai Group, for example, it will no longer buy car chips.
Things are too bad, too little to retreat first, and bad things seem to be some kind of bad thing.
That kind of thing is really worrying and pleasantly surprising. What is pleasantly surprising is that such a weak company can appear in China.
However, other mobile phone manufacturers use Xingchen 01 and Xingguang 01, and cannot make flagship phones like Pingguo and Qixing's flagship phones.
The limit was still up to eight days, and Mu Yang came back after being slapped in the face.
Before the mask is turned into a chip, the price has increased a lot, mainly depending on the content of the chip.
[Xinghai Group's first self-developed EDA chip design software has been successfully developed, Huawei Company will use Xinghai Group's EDA software to degrade chip design. 】
In the next few years, Huawei Company will only produce a little less than 200 million mobile phones a year, and the demand for mobile phone chips is very small.
Each 12-inch wafer cannot produce about 700 pieces of Hayes Kirin925. Your scrap rate is not low. It is a problem to produce 30 million chips per month. After New Year’s Day, you can meet Huawei’s needs, and you cannot supply them with priority. .
"What can you sanction the Xinghai Group? Shut down the Hummer Company?"
Yes, neither Pingguo nor Seven Star has their own mobile phone chips, and most of them will use Xinghai Group's mobile phone chips.
It is certain that the running score of the low-end version of MATE7 is about 70,000 points. Therefore, before replacing Xingchen 01, the running score cannot reach 100,000 points.
Starlight 01 still adopts 7n-process technology, and the CPU frequency design is 2.25Ghz*2+1.85GHz*2+1.5GHz*4. The specific performance will not be known until the samples are out.
In the evening, Mu Yang accompanied Ren to dinner, and chatted with me about the situation of many domestic mobile phones. Hayes kirin925CPU of MATE7, CPU frequency is 1.8Ghz*4+1.3Ghz*4.
The series of export bans imposed by the U.S. on Huawei are not intended to prevent Huawei from obtaining a series of key U.S. technologies, but to weaken its ability to manufacture advanced products ranging from smartphones to servers. The power of the chip has weakened Huawei's threat to the ugly country's communications.
Next year, your business will only be expanded to produce 170,000 wafers per month. "Mr. Mu, how about their wafer production capacity and chip production capacity?"
At that time, Mr. Ren was not worried. We will develop mobile phone chips independently in the future. I am afraid that the old man will be stuck and the cost will not be reduced.
It is also a quad-core, but the performance parameters are much worse.
The price may be lower than Hayes kirin925, the price is about 700 yuan, we will not know until the samples are released;
"This is an ability. Many shares are controlled by the consortium in your country. Shut down the Hummer company, and these surrounding areas will suffer slight losses. If you trouble me."
Xinghai Group charges 360 yuan to manufacture Hayes Kirin925 for Huawei, and the price for an EBL lithography machine is 1 billion yuan, and it takes 8.7 million chips to make it back.
Starlight 01 is also weaker than Hayes Kirin925. Mu Yang said the specific performance parameters, but if I say so, it is probably false.
"FU*K, **** Muyang, **** Xinghai Group!" There must be no EDA, UU reading www.uukanshu.com chip design platform.
"Congratulations from Gui Province: Congratulations to Xinghai Group for independently developing EDA and breaking the monopoly of developed countries."
Mr. Ren is planning to give up his own chip design for the time being, and save as much cost as possible. He will definitely need 10 million chips per year, which will save about one billion yuan per year.
For example, Hayes Kirin925 calculates from 1 to 100, instead of adding one by one, it takes a hundred steps to calculate, while Xingchen 01 directly applies the formula and completes it in a few steps, which is equivalent to walking in a straight line. Disadvantages of chip architecture.
"Just after Huawei Company was restricted from using EDA by Cadee, Xinghai Group gave it to them in a timely manner. Cadee is equivalent to letting go of a fart."
Moreover, it is the same chip, and its chip architecture is the same. It can be compared only by the CPU frequency. The star 01 has higher energy consumption and slower operating efficiency. Even with the same CPU frequency, the operating efficiency is much slower than other chips. few.
On the seventh day, Mr. Ren continued to discuss the details of the cooperation with Mu Yang, and Zhou Chenlai was finally in charge.
It is not possible to reduce the area of the chip, increase the amount of drawing at the same time, and reduce the performance of the CPU. In reality, 1.5 million pieces is ideal, but actually one million pieces is not far off.
"Cadee: Mu Yang, is he playing with you?! It was announced early, and it was announced later, and it happened at that time!"
"Muyang, what do I want to do, do it to you like that! It will definitely give me bad fruit."
The cost of the mask is mainly in the cost of lithography machine equipment. The efficiency of lithography machine is low, and the cost is higher.
Therefore, in the future, Huawei Company will certainly be able to use Xingchen 01.
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